the OBJECTIVE JERK
I have objective views and I am a jerk. I am catholic and I am conservative, but this is not a faith based or political podcast. I am a "normal" person that likes to discuss many topics and although I view things through a catholic/conservative lens, my time in the Army has also left me with an asshole complex. I am not an expert nor am I perfect, but I am Objective and I am a Jerk, so join the Objective Jerk as my Catholic conscience battles with my veteran outlook.
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REASON AND ACCOUNTABILITY: Man is shot by ICE and dies.
We break down the Minneapolis ICE shooting with a timeline, the limits of the video, and how perception and tactics shape split-second choices. We weigh compliance, team communication, and the media narrative while calling for evidence before verdicts.
• Setting the scene and timeline of the shooting
• Parsing the shaky video and poor audio
• What officers knew about the firearm
• Control tactics versus “beating up” myths
• Communication when a weapon is secured
• Compliance and split-second threat perception
• Personal example of de-escalation through compliance
• Tactical trade-offs between swarming and perimeter
• National ICE context versus local politics
• Why waiting for body cams matters
Let me know what you think
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You are listening to the objective jerk, and I am said jerk. Alright. How's it hanging? I'm doing it. Anyway, what's up? Yeah, another another shooting. I mean, it was it's like, are we surprised really with the way, you know, Dimwalls and and everybody there, and just it's just you knew it was gonna happen because they're not trying to they're not trying to solve the problem. They're just trying to escalate it. They're just Democrats and stuff, liberal media, they're just throwing fuel in the fire, fuel in the fire. You're like, come on, let's put this out, let's put this out, and they throw fuel on it. It's like, come on, man. But you knew it was gonna happen. You knew it was but before I do that though, let's see what's going on with me. I was thinking there was something I was gonna talk about, but I forgot. I forgot. That's pretty par for the course. I forget what I'm talking about all the time. I forget the words I need to say.
SPEAKER_01:Man, yeah, I really don't.
SPEAKER_00:There was something I was thinking like yesterday. Whatever. But man, I'm definitely taking advantage or not taking advantage, but I'm so you know, I have so many, so much time on my platform for my podcast that I pay for. I mean, I can pay more and have like, you know, but it's like I don't record that much. So to be honest with you, I'm paying a little more than I need to, but the next level down is I end up, you know, cutting myself short a lot. So I'm like, man, I need more, you know, whatever. So this this plan that I have is good because, you know, I never I never go over or anything like that. But I mean, I do go under a lot though, but so it's just so I'm definitely you know getting my money's worth this month. I got this is like the most I've posted in a while, which I wasn't planning on. I was I try not to post too much, you know what I mean? Because I feel like people are gonna be like, I don't know. But it seems to be going okay. Like I was planning on releasing my review of Star Trek Wrath of Khan tomorrow, but now if I release this, I'll have to wait like another day or something. Anyway, you know, the problems of being a podcaster. But let's see. Yeah, so okay, we'll just get into it. So Guy was shot and killed by ICE agents in Minneapolis, which again was no surprise, right? It's not it's like every day I wake up expecting something like this, to be honest with you. Because everything happens, you know, where I'm at, it's like late afternoon or late evening right now for me. But here it's you know, like 10 in the morning, so get on and check and see something. So it's like, you know, I always I'll always wake up to something that happened or something's happening, you know. So I mean, I guess for being I mean, that kind of works, you know, because like if I wanted to be one of those people like breaking news, you know, I'm probably getting a lot of information while America's sleeping, you know what I mean? But I'm just not that kind of I'm not trying to do that, but all right, so uh I was okay. So basically what happened ice were doing their job. A guy who's a citizen and everything, he had apparently he had the you know he was legal carrying his his weapon, and but he's recording and kind of agitating. Then he started getting in the way, and then when he wouldn't comply, they initiated the arrest, and maybe then he said, I have a gun, maybe they saw it, I don't know. The problem is it's hard to tell exactly what happened at this point or at in this video because it's just one one video, it's kind of it's not the best, and the audio is horrible. Can't really hear anything that's being said by them. So once you know investigations are done and they and then they'll release like the the body cam videos, it'll answer some more questions, hopefully. I'll just say, based off of what is known now, the the cops are fine, but it is kind of a mistake, but it's a justifiable mistake by on their part, you know what I mean? No cops are gonna go to no ice agents will go to jail. I don't think they lose their job, you know, they might be reprimanded in some way and you know do some remedial training maybe once all this crap is done.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know, but you know, I'll explain why I think that, but but yeah, it's it's at this point, it is hard to tell exactly what happened.
SPEAKER_00:But so but what the video shows is that when they start initiating the arrest, you know, officers are he's he's again fighting, he's not complying, which makes things worse. And then so they're fighting with him, not fighting, but they're trying to get in control of him, and then you see what appears to be an officer grab the individual's gun, and then like within a second after that, he gets shot. So, you know, everybody's probably I haven't seen, I haven't, I haven't checked to see what you know the loony left is saying, but I'm assuming they're gonna be like, oh, look at them beating up. First of all, when law enforcement, when there's a bunch of them, they're not beaten up on anybody, okay? They're trying to get control of the individual. And the more people you have to get control, like one person grabs an arm, another person grabs an arm, you know, then the person, it's less likely the chance that that individual is gonna get hurt. If it's one-on-one, then the cop is gonna go full force, not care, twist arms, dislocate shoulders to get compliance, you know what I mean, to get control when they're fighting back like that. When you have more people, less likely someone's gonna get hurt. So, like when people are always thinking, oh, there's so many of them.
SPEAKER_01:Shut up. Shut up. But where was I at? Yeah, so that's it. So then, you know, and then they they shot him, you know.
SPEAKER_00:So you can see again, so this is all well, so you can see like after the fact, the slow motion, the video, and stuff like that. Some people are thinking like it was another officer's gun that the officer got, or maybe it was like his that he dropped, or something like that. Yeah, that could be. There's so many scenarios that could have happened based off what we know right now. You know, that's why I'm not I'm not getting on and being like, oh, you guys are stupid. It was justified. Because even though it does look that way to me, it's not it's not simple, it's not you know, clear and simple at this point. The the other one with what's her face, the stupid liberal good, immediately it was like, yeah, okay, she was stupid, he was fun, you know, I could see it, you know. And I'm looking, that's the thing, is I'm looking for the officers to make that's what I'm looking for. My kids will bring me stuff all the time, and I'll look at it, I'd be like, ooh, yeah, he kind of screwed up. Or, you know what I mean? So it's like I'm not I'm not afraid to call out law enforcement for messing up, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01:I'll be honest about it, you know.
SPEAKER_00:But this one's a little harder because again, we don't have anything. So until they get done with the investigation and we get the body cams and all that kind of stuff, you know, it's gonna it's hard to tell.
SPEAKER_01:But that kind of looks like maybe.
SPEAKER_00:So you can see after the guy, after the officer removes is leaving the weapon, you can see a split second where it looks like he's reaching the individual. Even then, it's kind of hard, but it's okay. That's what it looks like. So maybe he was reaching for a secondary weapon, maybe he was reaching for a knife, you know, he got the knife out, and you're in close like that with somebody with the knife, you take them out with a gun. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they have a knife and you have a gun. Oh, you only had a knife. No, it doesn't matter. So we don't know. Now, even if he wasn't going for another weapon, he if if he wasn't going for a secondary or he wasn't going for a knife or whatever, and maybe he the officer removed his pistol and he and the subject didn't realize it, and he was reaching back there, trying to get it. At this point, everybody knew he had a weapon. They're like, Oh, he's got a gun. You do hear that. So all the officers know he's got a weapon. That's why they start drawing their pistols, some of them they should be ready. The only thing is, like, more should have got on him, I guess, to because there was enough guys there to just blam, just each each one to grab an arm, hold him down. There was enough, but the thing is, is like if you get everybody involved in that, then you open yourself up to people outside, you know what I mean? So you still have to have people kind of maintaining security, so it's it's a tough situation, man. But but so what was move the gun, what was I saying? Oh, you know, and then he started grabbing for something, and he's grabbing his back, grabbing the gun that he thinks he has. Maybe the guy that pulled it didn't communicate that he had it. Some officer didn't realize that he had removed the gun and he's reaching back there, and he felt like something was gonna happen, he had to shoot him. The thing is, the cop would not be in the wrong based on everything going on. He wouldn't be, you know what I mean? Generally, you want to be able to actually have visual on the gun, but the thing is, moving around, he might have seen it in his holster, and then by the time he next time he was he went to grab it, and then he was moving his hand out, and the guy's like, oh shit, there we go. You know what I mean? It's so many things could have happened in this situation so fast. So that's why I'm not like, oh, the cop messed up. No, he didn't. I mean, could he have done better, maybe? But the thing is, if this dipshit didn't go and interfere with, you know, they're what they're doing, and then if you're gonna bring a gun, definitely should not interfere, dude. That's just, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know, that's just that's just stupidity right there.
SPEAKER_00:Most people who are legal carriers of gun that have the weapon, they stay out of trouble. They're not looking for trouble. The weapon is there just in case something happens and they can defend themselves. They're not going around trying to be like, what's up, sucker? Huh? What? I got my you know what I mean? No. So the fact that he was protesting and, you know, doing what he was doing, he was wrong. Now, I mean, he could have been just in the back. Maybe he felt, maybe he believes all the bullshit the liberal media and the politicians are saying. And so he's there. He wants to protect his people, his neighborhood. But he should have been just standing in the back. And, you know, but even then, it's like, so what are you gonna do? You're gonna shoot at law enforcement officers because you think you're not, it's just it's all it's bad all the way around. But I mean, maybe he always carried, you know. Looks like it's pretty much a shithole there. So, but knowing that you have the weapon, you don't you just stay away from trouble, you don't get yourself into trouble. You know, that's that was like one of the things that I learned and I did when I carried, is I didn't go looking for trouble. Just because I have a gun doesn't mean I can do whatever I want and be, you know. No, it was I didn't, you know, none of my if I went to like a dinner with a bunch of friends, I didn't tell them, oh hey, I got my gun, I'm cool. No, it was just it was there, but it was like it was there, but it wasn't there, you know what I mean? So but he shouldn't have gotten himself in that situ my my computer's like screensaver and it won't turn.
SPEAKER_01:I hate this Apple computers suck.
SPEAKER_00:So that's kind of the you know that's kind of the thing, and it's like and it doesn't and people are like, oh well if he didn't, you know, if he if he he didn't see a gun though, so he shot at him not seeing an actual gun. But the thing is they knew he had a gun, and he was making the movements, and in all that situation, you don't know. Like, let me give you an example. I think I might have told the story before, but I'm gonna tell it again anyway. I've had my I've had police draw a gun on me, you know what I mean, and I'll tell you the story. And I'm still alive. Uh-huh. Go figure. So one, I'm gonna try and get through it quick because I think I have told the story. So one night I was I was like on swing shift or something, so I had to stay up late. I was working on homework before, a couple hours before, you know, my wife was getting the kids ready to go to bed, three boys running around, this and that. So she's yelling, come on, alright, I'd get, you know, whatever this and that. The windows are open. So the neighbors hearing it, and I guess thinks that, you know, she's you know, beating up before she sticks him in the cage and hose him down or something. I don't know. So somebody called the sheriff, but it was you know a couple hours later. So by the time they get there, it's you know, everything's quiet, it's dark, I'm working on my homework. And so this is like 10, 11, something like that, I want to say. And I didn't know it was the sheriff's department, but also I just hear doom doom doom doom on the door. I didn't hear sheriff's department or nothing like that. I think maybe they were just like listening, maybe they were doom doom doom, and they were listening to see what they heard. I don't know. So I was like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? Just some loud, so I immediately go and get my gun.
SPEAKER_01:I grab it and I and I rack it.
SPEAKER_00:And I look through the peephole or the window, I can't remember, and I see a sheriff's car. And I was like, oh crap, okay. And so I yell back to my wife, I'm like, hey, it's the sheriff's apartment. I put my gun down, but the windows are open, like most of the windows are open because it's Washington and we didn't have air conditioner and stuff. So the cops all heard it and they responded accordingly. So I opened the door and they're each on the side of the house with their guns, and they're like, Where's the gun? Where's the gun? So at that moment, I didn't have my gun. But if I would have came charging at them, they would have shot me and it would have been justified. Or if I would have sit there and did something like kind of crazy, they would have shot me. Immediately, I was like, hands up, didn't move, guns over here. They walked me forward. I sat down. When you comply and you use common sense, you get out of it alive.
SPEAKER_01:So all these people are just retarded.
SPEAKER_00:You're all stupid. Oh, it's because you're white. Whatever, dude. It doesn't, dude. I've you know, I was watching a documentary around something, and it's like you just see in my school, black, white, we all fucking got along. It didn't matter. All this racism has been created. Yes, racism exists, and yes, it was pretty bad back in the day, okay? But by the time the late 90s and early 2000s came around, no one really nobody cared about racism, nobody cared about gay people really. It was like, whatever. Okay, I don't agree with it, but whatever. And then it just now look where we're at. We're right back into like the 60s and shit. It's like it's just insane. Anyway, okay, getting off topic again. My phone closed too. I had a couple bullet points just to keep me on track, which never seems to work. Alright, so yeah, so I mean, even based off of just that, just they know he's got a gun, and if he's reaching back there, and then he kind of comes out like this, he, you know, he's gonna get shot. And I'm I'm kind of guessing that's what happened. Maybe he had a secondary pistol. I doubt it, maybe, but you never know. What I'm kind of thinking is a knife, maybe? Maybe it was his wallet. He's trying to show his concealed permit. I don't know. But the thing is, they know he's got it, he's fighting with them, and you know, if you if you would just he brought it on himself again, just like the stupid good bitch. That's why it's you know it even if it is his wallet, it it it's still justified based on all the information the officers have and the actions of the individual. They don't know what his intentions are. But I mean he's made it pretty clear kind of what his intentions are. He's here to cause disruption with the ice, and he's got a gun, you know. It's you know, that's why you just don't interfere, man. Stay on the side, record, blow your stupid whistle, whatever. Call them names.
SPEAKER_01:But stay out of the way. So, I mean, some people are saying, like, oh, maybe he, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Well, even if even if the cop didn't so the those are like some possible mistakes by ice. Is the officer that removed the gun didn't make it clear. But I mean it was it was like less than the Second, dude. He had the gun, he came out. Bam. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe. I'm but we don't know. We weren't we you couldn't hear. So I'm pretty sure he's like, I got it, I got it, I got it. Stepped away, and then bam, somebody saw him reach in. Who knows? No, I kind of talked about everything already. So yeah, it's just you know, again, they could have just, you know, swarmed him, each guy grabbing, grabbing an arm, grabbing a leg, holding them down, and then somebody grabs a gun and they're you know what I mean? It can be done, five guys, whatever. But how many people are in the video? But then it's like, but then they're exposed because no one's you know watching their backs. So it's it's a tricky situation, you know. And yeah, you just, you know, it's kind of it's kind of it's sad, really. I mean, because it sucks the guy. Who knows? I don't know. It's like, you know, it's never, it's never, you know, a happy moment when somebody, you know, dies in in that way, something, some especially something kind of stupid, you know. It's just like somebody taking a selfie on the edge of the Grand Canyon and then they fall and die. It's like, man, that's so stupid, you know. It's the same thing, but it's like ICE is nobody, no ICE officer is it was a justified shoot. The only people who should be liable for this is the Minnesota governor, mayor, Minneapolis mayor, and the liberal media who keep perpetuating you know, all this crap.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it seems like they've they've kind of slowed a little bit. But still, it's just, you know.
SPEAKER_00:You get these well, the me where the media is not slowing down, where they're messing up, is like they'll probably take this and be like, oh citizen attacked and shot by ice. It's like, it's not what happened. But you know, it's just crap like that. It's it's just it's just annoying. And so now they're calling in, I guess, what's his nuts, dim walls. He's calling in the National Guard.
SPEAKER_01:But it's like to do what exactly?
SPEAKER_00:They're gonna I mean, because the police there aren't doing shit. I mean some sheriff departments are kind of helping control a situation, but like the PD, they were told, I mean, I don't know for a fact, but like they're not doing shit. They're not help they're you know, they were told don't interfere, don't do whatever. So they're just you know, they're complicit too, you know. Just like the police officers that wouldn't let people leave in Maui when it was burning. You can't go this way. Yeah, it's just it's a little insane. And people are like, you know, but if you notice, dude, ICE is all over the country. They're not just in Minneapolis Minneapolis or whatever, they're all over. They're conducting raids and they're getting rid of, you know, illegals all over. No one's getting shot. No one's none of this is happening. Because it's not, you know, it's the the sanctuary city states, and you go to any other, you know, you think that there aren't illegals in in, you know, red Republican states. You know what I mean? There are, and they're being dealt with. They're being, you know, and people are letting ice do their job, and they're getting rid of some nasty, nasty people. And and and that's who the liberals are protecting, just the most heinous, disgusting people, you know. Child trafficking, murders, everything you know, just like the worst of the worst people. And you look at like the stuff that happened in Colorado with the gang and the apartment call, just all this crap, all the all the all the raping and murdering that's been going on, but they don't care about that. Oh no, we don't care about American citizens, we care about the illegal foreigners that caught, you know, but they don't. It's just they're brainwashed because the politicians want them in there because they're losing votes. They're losing votes like crazy, dude. The Democrats ain't gonna win shit, and they know it, so they're that's why they're causing all this, you know. And then you got the loony liberals that are just I I feel sorry for them sometimes, you know. Like my one liberal friend, dude, he is straight up TDS, man. He just man anyway. That's it. Just wanted to share that, get it off my chi. And let me know what you guys think. You think, I mean, maybe you don't want to say nothing until more evidence is established, and that's probably a smart thing. You know, a lot of people are now kind of waiting. A lot of people are smarter to instead of just jumping to whatever. So, which I am, you know, I'm for this. I'm not saying nothing on like social media. I'm recording this and I'll post it, but I'm not like getting on, you know, like I did with the I was on Facebook, like, oh stupid. Yeah. But anyway, again, thanks for listening. Thanks for hanging out. Let me know what you think. Appreciate your time, and I'll see you guys next time. All right, God bless. All right, bye.
